Leo and Trump : Notebook of an Asymmetrical Conflict

by Sandro Magister

Leo XIV’s jour­ney to Africa, from Algeria to Cameroon to Angola and final­ly to Equatorial Guinea, was in fact intert­wi­ned with a con­fron­ta­tion bet­ween two oppo­sing world­views : that of the pope and that of the American super­po­wer embo­died by Donald Trump.

It was no coin­ci­den­ce but a deli­be­ra­te choi­ce for Leo to begin his jour­ney from the land of his great tea­cher, Augustine of Hippo. The pope’s geo­po­li­ti­cal vision is so inspi­red by Augustine’s master­pie­ce, “De civi­ta­te Dei,” that he built his who­le speech on January 9 to the diplo­ma­tic corps accre­di­ted to the Holy See on this very book, accor­ding to the model of the two cities : “the city of God, which is eter­nal and cha­rac­te­ri­zed by God’s uncon­di­tio­nal love (amor Dei), as well as love for one’s nei­gh­bor, espe­cial­ly the poor. Then the­re is the ear­thly city […] cen­te­red on pri­de and self-love (amor sui), on the thir­st for world­ly power and glo­ry that leads to destruc­tion.”

“Christians,” he said, “are cal­led by God to dwell in the ear­thly city with their hearts and minds tur­ned towards the hea­ven­ly city, their true home­land” And both cor­re­spond to two dif­fe­rent types of pea­ce : that which is wed­ded to truth and justi­ce and has its sour­ce in Christ, and that which instead is sought within one­self and always leads to new acts of vio­len­ce in the name of self-love.

It is pre­ci­se­ly by vir­tue of this con­tra­st that Pope Leo’s pre­a­ching has repea­ted­ly cal­led into que­stion the pre­si­dent of the United States, without naming him but with clear refe­ren­ce to him as well.

To the evi­dent annoyan­ce of the White House, which read pre­ci­se­ly that speech of Leo’s to the diplo­ma­tic corps as the begin­ning of a cre­scen­do of cri­ti­ci­sm of Trump, and right away wan­ted to express its disap­pro­val to the Vatican nun­cio to the United States at the time, Cardinal Christophe Pierre, sum­mo­ned to the Pentagon on January 22 by Under Secretary of Defense Elbridge A. Colby, accor­ding to what was revea­led by Free Press in ear­ly April.

That this rebu­ke was the actual rea­son for the unu­sual con­ver­sa­tion has been denied by both the nun­cia­tu­re and the U.S. embas­sy to the Holy See, and most recen­tly by the direc­tor of the Vatican press offi­ce, Matteo Bruni. But that serious fric­tion was alrea­dy under­way was con­fir­med by what hap­pe­ned next, espe­cial­ly after the start of the war again­st Iran.

On March 29, in his Palm Sunday homi­ly, Leo said, quo­ting the pro­phet Isaiah, that our God is a God “who rejec­ts war, whom no one can use to justi­fy war. He does not listen to the prayers of tho­se who wage war, but rejec­ts them, say­ing : ‘Even thou­gh you make many prayers, I will not listen : your hands are full of blood’ (Isaiah 1:15).”

On April 7, at Castel Gandolfo, after Trump had threa­te­ned to destroy the who­le peo­ple of Iran and its enti­re civi­li­za­tion over­night, the pope told jour­na­lists, without even wai­ting for them to que­stion him, that “this is tru­ly unac­cep­ta­ble” and urged “eve­ryo­ne to pray, but also to seek to com­mu­ni­ca­te with mem­bers of Congress, with the autho­ri­ties, to say that we do not want war, we want pea­ce.”

And again, on April 11, at the prayer vigil for pea­ce held at St. Peter’s, Leo bran­ded “that delu­sion of omni­po­ten­ce that sur­rounds us and is beco­ming increa­sin­gly unpre­dic­ta­ble and aggres­si­ve,” going so far as to “drag even the holy Name of God, the God of life, into discour­ses of death” and, wor­se, “tur­ning them­sel­ves and their own power into a mute, blind and deaf idol (cf. Ps 115:4 – 8), to which they sacri­fi­ce eve­ry value, deman­ding that the who­le world bend its knee.”

It was this cre­scen­do that promp­ted Trump to inter­ve­ne in per­son and in his own way, on April 12, on the eve of the pope’s depar­tu­re for Algeria, with an invec­ti­ve by his own hand on Truth, in which he begins by disqua­li­fy­ing Leo as “weak on Crime, and ter­ri­ble for Foreign Policy.” And he con­ti­nues :

“He talks about ‘fear’ of the Trump Administration, but doesn’t men­tion the fear that the Catholic Church, and all other Christian Organizations, had during Covid when they were arre­sting priests, mini­sters, and eve­ry­bo­dy else, for hol­ding Church Services, even when going outsi­de, and being ten and even twen­ty feet apart. I like his bro­ther Louis much bet­ter than I like him, becau­se Louis is all Maga. He gets it, and Leo doesn’t ! I don’t want a Pope who thinks it’s Ok for Iran to have a Nuclear Weapon. I don’t want a Pope who thinks it’s ter­ri­ble that America attac­ked Venezuela, a Country that was sen­ding mas­si­ve amoun­ts of Drugs into the United States and, even wor­se, emp­ty­ing their pri­sons, inclu­ding mur­de­rers, drug dea­lers, and kil­lers, into our Country. And I don’t want a Pope who cri­ti­ci­zes the President of the United States becau­se I’m doing exac­tly what I was elec­ted, in a land­sli­de, to do, set­ting Record Low Numbers in Crime, and crea­ting the Greatest Stock Market in History.

“Leo should be thank­ful becau­se, as eve­ryo­ne kno­ws, he was a shoc­king sur­pri­se. He wasn’t on any list to be Pope, and was only put the­re by the Church becau­se he was an American, and they thought that would be the best way to deal with President Donald J. Trump. If I wasn’t in the White House, Leo wouldn’t be in the Vatican.

“Unfortunately, Leo’s Weak on Crime, Weak on Nuclear Weapons, does not sit well with me, nor does the fact that he mee­ts with Obama Sympathizers like David Axelrod, a loser from the Left, who is one of tho­se who wan­ted chur­ch­goers and cle­rics to be arre­sted. Leo should get his act toge­ther as Pope, use Common Sense, stop cate­ring to the Radical Left, and focus on being a Great Pope, not a Politician. It’s hur­ting him very bad­ly and, more impor­tan­tly, it’s hur­ting the Catholic Church!”

On the same day, again on Truth, the American pre­si­dent publi­shed an ima­ge depic­ting him as Christ, intent on hea­ling a sick per­son : an ima­ge quic­kly taken down due to the explo­sion of pro­tests in the camp of Trump’s sup­por­ters.

And Leo ? On the pla­ne taking him to Algeria on the mor­ning of Monday, April 13, whi­le mee­ting with the press, he reac­ted with the­se words, men­tio­ning the American pre­si­dent for the fir­st time : “I have no fear of nei­ther the Trump admi­ni­stra­tion nor of spea­king out loud­ly about the mes­sa­ge of the Gospel. And that’s what I belie­ve I am cal­led to do and the Church is cal­led to do. […] I do not look at my role as being poli­ti­cal, a poli­ti­cian ; I don’t want to get into a deba­te with him. I don’t think that the mes­sa­ge of the Gospel is meant to be abu­sed in the way that some peo­ple are doing, and I will con­ti­nue to speak out loud­ly again­st war, loo­king to pro­mo­te pea­ce, pro­mo­ting dia­lo­gue and mul­ti­la­te­ral rela­tion­ships among the sta­tes to look for just solu­tions to the pro­blems. Too many peo­ple are suf­fe­ring in the world today, too many inno­cent peo­ple are being kil­led, and I think someo­ne has to stand up and say there’s a bet­ter way [unin­tel­li­gi­ble].” And as for the social net­work Truth, on which Trump publi­shed his attack, he said, “It's iro­nic — the name of the site itself. Say no more.”

A few hours pass, and on Tuesday, April 14, in an ear­ly mor­ning pho­ne call with the New York cor­re­spon­dent of Corriere del­la Sera, Trump again attacks Leo : “He doesn’t under­stand it, he is not the guy that should be tal­king about war, becau­se he has no idea what’s going on. He doesn’t under­stand that in Iran they kil­led 42,000 pro­te­sters last month. He doesn’t under­stand that, does he?”

And again the same day, in ano­ther post on Truth, he insists on put­ting Leo on the ropes : “Will someo­ne plea­se tell Pope Leo that Iran has kil­led at lea­st 42,000 inno­cent, com­ple­te­ly unar­med, pro­te­sters in the last two mon­ths, and that for Iran to have a Nuclear Bomb is abso­lu­te­ly unac­cep­ta­ble.”

Among the poli­ti­cians clo­se­st to Trump, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, a Catholic, stands out for his silen­ce. Vice President JD Vance, also a fer­vent Catholic, appears more vocal, admo­ni­shing the pope in various sta­te­men­ts to “stick to mat­ters of mora­li­ty, to stick to mat­ters of what’s going on in the Catholic Church and let the pre­si­dent of the United States stick to dic­ta­ting American public poli­cy.” Moreover, he war­ned him to “be care­ful” even “when he talks about mat­ters of theo­lo­gy,” becau­se when he “said that God is never on the side of tho­se who wield the sword,” he for­ge­ts that “the­re is a more than a thousand-year tra­di­tion of just war theo­ry.”

Bishop James Massa, pre­si­dent of the epi­sco­pal conference’s com­mis­sion for doc­tri­ne, respon­ded to Vance by sta­ting that the war again­st Iran does not at all respect the canons that make a war “just,” that is, neces­sa­ry and pro­por­tio­na­te, as the Catholic Church has always main­tai­ned from Augustine onward.

As for Pete Hegseth, the secre­ta­ry of defen­se, a mem­ber of the Communion of Reformed Evangelical Churches, a stron­gly con­ser­va­ti­ve Calvinist deno­mi­na­tion, he has made coun­tless refe­ren­ces to God fighting along­si­de the United States, as has alrea­dy hap­pe­ned seve­ral times when evan­ge­li­cal pastors who are part of the White House Office of Faith gather around Trump in bles­sing. On April 15, in a reli­gious ser­vi­ce at the Pentagon, Hegseth belie­ved he was quo­ting the pro­phet Ezekiel (25:17) in his sup­port, but in rea­li­ty he ree­led off a gro­te­sque varia­tion taken from Quentin Tarantino’s film Pulp Fiction.

Against this abu­se of God as god of war, Pope Leo again spo­ke for­ce­ful­ly on April 16 in Bamenda, Cameroon, the epi­cen­ter of the civil war that is bloo­dy­ing that coun­try, allu­ding also to many other wars : “Woe to tho­se who mani­pu­la­te reli­gion and the very name of God for their own mili­ta­ry, eco­no­mic or poli­ti­cal gain, drag­ging that which is sacred into dar­k­ness and filth. Yes, my dear sisters and bro­thers, you who hun­ger and thir­st for justi­ce, who are poor, mer­ci­ful, meek, and pure of heart, you who have wept — you are the light of the world ! (cf. Mt 5:3 – 14). Bamenda, today you are the city on the hill, resplen­dent in the eyes of all!” Because that of today is “a world tur­ned upsi­de down,” the pope con­ti­nued, “rava­ged by a han­d­ful of tyran­ts” and “held toge­ther by a mul­ti­tu­de of sup­por­ti­ve bro­thers and sisters.”

Leo, the fir­st American pope, is well aware that the city on the moun­tain – or “City upon a hill” – is also a foun­ding mot­to of the United States, coi­ned by the Puritan John Winthrop (1586 – 1649). He spo­ke to an African popu­la­tion, but with a uni­ver­sal hori­zon that ine­vi­ta­bly inclu­ded America, yet still –  as Leo him­self said on April 18 during the flight from Cameroon to Angola –  hol­ding firm that “try­ing to deba­te, again, the pre­si­dent […] is not in my inte­re­st at all,” espe­cial­ly with a talk “pre­pa­red two weeks ago, well befo­re the pre­si­dent ever com­men­ted on myself and on the mes­sa­ge of pea­ce that I am pro­mo­ting.” With JD Vance rea­dy, this time, to decla­re him­self “gra­te­ful to Pope Leo for say­ing this,” sin­ce “real disa­gree­men­ts have hap­pe­ned and will hap­pen,” but “the rea­li­ty is often much more com­pli­ca­ted” than por­trayed by the media, which “con­stan­tly gins up con­flict.”

And as for the uni­ver­sal sco­pe of his appeals, the pope did not fail to express sor­row on Sunday, April 19, in Angola, for “the recent inten­si­fi­ca­tion of attacks again­st Ukraine, which con­ti­nue to affect the civi­lian popu­la­tion,” relief for “the announ­ced tru­ce in Lebanon,” and hope “that the end of hosti­li­ties throu­ghout the Middle East may beco­me lasting.”

On a more stric­tly poli­ti­cal level, what infu­ria­ted Trump and his fol­lo­wers, much more than the audien­ce given by Leo on April 9 at the Vatican to Obama’s clo­se advi­sor David Axelrod, was the pope’s urging American citi­zens to put pres­su­re on Congress to oppo­se the poli­cies and wars bac­ked by the pre­si­dent.

Trump’s invec­ti­ve again­st Leo was aimed pre­ci­se­ly at bol­ste­ring that seg­ment of public opi­nion in the United States which has always viewed the Catholic pope as a forei­gner to be kept at a distan­ce, no mat­ter if born in Chicago. Meanwhile, con­ver­se­ly, Leo has capi­ta­li­zed on the aware­ness that Trump’s war­mon­ge­ring poli­cies are promp­ting many cri­ti­ci­sms even among tho­se who have sup­por­ted him until now.

And jud­ging by what is hap­pe­ning, the pope has hit the mark.

Among the American bishops, dee­ply divi­ded for years, beyond the pre­dic­ta­ble and very harsh reac­tions of pro­gres­si­ve car­di­nals Blase Cupich of Chicago, Robert McElroy of Washington, and Joseph Tobin of Newark in a joint inter­view on the histo­ric CBS pro­gram “60 Minutes,” very signi­fi­cant cri­ti­ci­sms have been rai­sed even among tho­se who until recen­tly were most sym­pa­the­tic to Trump. Support for the pope has not only come from the pre­si­dent of the epi­sco­pal con­fe­ren­ce, Paul Coakley, and the mili­ta­ry ordi­na­ry, Timothy Broglio, who even went so far as to encou­ra­ge con­scien­tious objec­tion to unju­st war orders among American sol­diers, but also from the bishop of Winona-Rochester, Minnesota, Robert Barron, wide­ly fol­lo­wed on social media, wel­co­med to the White House as an Easter gue­st just a few days ear­lier but now siding again­st the pre­si­dent, urging him to apo­lo­gi­ze for his “enti­re­ly inap­pro­pria­te and disre­spect­ful” remarks.

Even among Catholics, who by a clear majo­ri­ty voted to elect Trump, many were displea­sed with the president’s anti-papal invec­ti­ves. They have been given a voi­ce by EWTN, the lar­ge­st Catholic media con­glo­me­ra­te in the world and the fir­st in the United States, of a mar­ked­ly con­ser­va­ti­ve outlook, whe­re one of its most pro­mi­nent hosts, Raymond Arroyo, did not hesi­ta­te to discre­dit Trump’s remarks : “This was a slop­py and frank­ly disre­spect­ful attack on the pope.” The most refi­ned voi­ce of con­ser­va­ti­ve Catholic thought, the maga­zi­ne First Things, also expres­sed strong cri­ti­ci­sm.

But even more revea­ling was the disa­strous ral­ly held on April 15 in Athens, Georgia, by Turning Point, the move­ment left by the young Trumpian acti­vi­st Charlie Kirk, very reli­gious and a great crowd-drawer, kil­led in September 2025.

There to enli­ven the ral­ly, in the absen­ce of Kirk’s widow, Erika, was JD Vance, fresh from the fai­led fir­st nego­tia­tions with Iran in Islamabad. But instead of recei­ving applau­se, he found him­self facing a half-empty venue, awk­ward que­stions, and unu­sual­ly harsh cri­ti­ci­sm. And all of this was due to Trump’s attack on Leo and his meme of him­self dres­sed as Jesus and hea­ling the sick, both bran­ded as unac­cep­ta­ble by many in atten­dan­ce, Catholics and Protestants of various stri­pes, inclu­ding Doug Wilson, co-founder of the deno­mi­na­tion to which Defense Secretary Hegseth belongs.

In short, the­re are no signs of public opi­nion shif­ting in Trump’s favor as a result of his invec­ti­ve again­st Pope Leo. If any­thing, the oppo­si­te is hap­pe­ning.

A side note : Trump’s insi­sten­ce on the pope’s silen­ce regar­ding the tens of thou­sands of defen­se­less oppo­nen­ts of the Iranian regi­me mas­sa­cred in the stree­ts on January 8 and 9 in fact cor­re­sponds to the rea­li­ty.

It is true that Leo’s heart­felt appeals on behalf of the civi­lian vic­tims of ongoing con­flic­ts – women, elder­ly, chil­dren – are coun­tless. But they are always gene­ral appeals, never expli­ci­tly refer­ring to Iran. And even regar­ding the cruel repres­sion of free­doms impo­sed by the theo­cra­tic regi­me in Tehran, the pope has always avoi­ded expli­cit denun­cia­tions.

But it should be noted that this two­fold silen­ce alrea­dy marks a cor­rec­tion with respect to a recent past in which the Holy See main­tai­ned exces­si­ve cour­te­sy in public rela­tions with Tehran, made only of mutual prai­se.

Leo’s silen­ce is the pri­ce he pays for not fur­ther endan­ge­ring the alrea­dy mini­mal free­doms of Iranians, inclu­ding tho­se of the Catholic faith. This silen­ce is ana­lo­gous to that which he employs with China, as well as with Nicaragua, and of which Secretary of State Pietro Parolin, a disci­ple of the Vatican's “Ostpolitik” during the Soviet era, is a shrewd admi­ni­stra­tor.

(Translated by Matthew Sherry : traduttore@​hotmail.​com)

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Sandro Magister is past “vati­ca­ni­sta” of the Italian wee­kly L’Espresso.
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